Grateful Dead Live at AoxomoxoA Outtakes on 1969-12-31
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# Skip at the beginning of The Eleven, the jam at the end fades out
* 0:06- Barbed Wire removed small cut,0:41- removed pop in left channel (!=pop "the B!arbed wire...") 0:57- removed pop
& 1:02- The Rag small bit of noise I could not remove, its hardly audible 3:13-3:19 fade out & in small subsecond silence removed
% Dupree's fades in
@ 1:25-1:28 fade out & in
! 0:30- 3 seconds of silence
^ 0:30- removed small noise sounding like tape starting immediately following a cut and prior to any music or Jerry singing starts
$ 2:49- noise and cut present
Cd > eac > cool edit pro > shntool > cdwav > shnv3 by Ernie Dodd
I did not want to edit this too much because these are rought cuts and the flaws are part of the character. Instead, I tried to note them. Only minor editing was performed as described above. Additionally, I did take out a few of the small segments of silence between tracks. I did not make any adjustments to the levels.
Discs were kindly provided by Stu Hanson who comments below:
These copies kick the sh*t out of the versions circulating from those Unsurpassed Masters bootleg CDs. These derive from a 3.75ips reel belonging to Sandy Troy with two additional tracks supplied by a 7.5ips reel belonging
to Alan Bershaw.
Sandy's reel has all the material that has circulated before and its likely that many of the copies out there trace back to this reel. We *think* this material derives from the original 8 track studio sessions (that were abandoned in favor of using the first 16 track, which had just become available in 1969.)
The two cuts from Alan's reel, Rosemary & Mountains Of The Moon, sound like the same versions recorded for the album, but they seem to be only Garcia's acoustic guitar and vocal tracks, without all the overdubs. They are definitely not to be confused with the earlier mixes that were originally released on the 1969 version of the album. These two tracks have not circulated widely. They are both excellent quality and very beautiful!
- 2004-04-23 15:39:05
- Aoxomoxoa Studio Sessions Outtakes 1969Tracks 1-11: Sandy Troy's TC366 3.75ips Reel->DAT2->CDR Tracks 12-13:Alan Bershaw's A1040SL 7.5ips Reel->DAT->CDRDiscs kindly provided by Stu HansonCd > eac > cool edit pro > shntool > cdwav > shnv3 by Ernie Dodd
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love the eleven here. one of my all-time favorites.
IMO, the remix of the album totally ruins it--i know folks who've never heard the original, and when they do, most seem to agree. the original mix was far superior--for most of the tracks.
Subject: unknown instumental...
Subject: Can someone fix the WBOTB, please?
"When I downloaded this version several years ago I had to fix "What's Become of the Baby" because I recall a serious flaw in it -- it gets set back about 1:30 near the middle"
Actually the splice/insert is at 6:52, after the "lost in the region of lead" line.
I'm not sure how/why that mistake happened but it wasn't always that way. There used to be copy of that outtake in the Archive without this error. I listened to it many, many times but it's darn near unlistenable now.
Someone please fix this!
Subject: wonderful --such a cliche, but what can one say?
Subject: What's become of the baby?
On another note, as a little project for the past few years, I have been creating "live" copies of the Dead's studio albums. A big challenge is the few songs that don't seem to be available live. Does anyone know where I can get my hands on the 4/26/69 show with "baby" on it? Thanks!
Subject: ethereal masterpiece
Subject: . . . but where is the child that plays with the sunshines ?
I agree with Mr. Sun below, the way this album was truly meant to be heard, before all the redubs and heavy-handed mixing etc. I mean, the telephone during Stephen ? Just fricking monster ! Every version here blows away the album IMO. Theres like a watery quality about China that when looking up in a dream light wind, one can see the Aurora Borealis in the midnight sun. Rosemary, Charley, Mountains ? Epic! The moment in track 10 @ 4:01 when someone exclaims 'ahhshit' as though a mistake ? It's perfect ! A beautiful moment in time, captured forever for us all to enjoy. Everything they wanted to say encapsulated in one neat package ! This is my church regularly ~
Subject: Thank You so Very Much
Subject: What's Become of the Baby?
Subject: studio mayhem
The first two tracks are a highlight, showing that the Stephen>Eleven medley was originally planned for Aoxomoxoa (until they decided to leave it for the live album). Unfortunately, the sound quality is particularly poor in this section. (In fact, the whole reel seems to come from a very weak cassette copy with lots of distracting bass print-through.)
1. St Stephen - a different early take, more far-out than the finished version, and covered with strange effects.
2. The Eleven - very nice! basically done just like the live version; unfortunately it cuts early.
3. Barbed Wire Whipping Party - the most famous Aox outtake, and the least listenable...
4. Doin' That Rag - I think this is the same basic track as the album; they just haven't dubbed the organ or backing vocals yet.
5. Dupree's Diamond Blues - a basic track: 12-string guitar, bass, drums, and Garcia's double-tracked vocals.
6. Instrumental - Garcia & drums, doing an unknown song.
7. China Cat Sunflower - this sounds pretty close to the final mix (though there's no TC here), but it could be a different take or an extremely different mix - the parts aren't quite the same, so most of this was redone. There's a gap/cut in the middle solo.
8. Cosmic Charlie - very nice! A totally different opening. This is another basic track: guitar, drums, and Garcia's double-tracked vocals.
9. Doin' That Rag #2 - another basic track: guitar, drums, vocal. Notice the pattern? Some of these tracks are just Garcia & Kreutzmann, no Weir or Lesh, just like his first solo album.
10. Mountains of the Moon - basically the same as the album version, just an alternate mix. (And the girl choir hasn't been dubbed on yet.)
11. What's Become of the Baby - just Garcia & guitar here, few studio effects, so you can actually hear the song. Very acid-folk, and not like anything else he ever did.
12. Rosemary - pretty much the same as the album version; no surprise, since Garcia just made one 4-track tape of this song.
13. Mountains of the Moon #2 - an earlier track: guitars, bass, and vocal (no TC on harpsichord yet).
Subject: From an Eleven Nut
Subject: nice to hear
Subject: HannaH: ?wasitacaroracatisaw? :HannaH
Subject: choir of angels
Subject: pretty awesome
the unknown instrumental jam is pretty cool- really has more WRS notes in it- but diverges with it's own character. bookmark it.
Subject: some may pass, some may stay
If you're into history & rarities & not set against studio stuff, definitely check this out.
Subject: angular take on 68-69 material
Subject: Great Artifact
Subject: The date
Subject: What a find!
First, I would love a copy of the original Aoxomoxoa mix! :D
Second... I might get booted for this, but here goes.
Want to download this? The url's are:
I am sure you deadheads can figure it out! :D
Subject: AoxomoxoA Outtakes
Subject: Question on "The Eleven"
Can anyone tell me why the last four verses of "Saint Steven" were cut onto the track with "The Eleven"? Is this an error by whoever uploaded the tracks or do the sources do the same? I can't imagine those verses as bein included with "The Eleven," as Hunter would have made a footnote of it in his book.
Subject: A definite must have...
Subject: Interested in the Aoxomoxoa original mix?
What do people think of the ethicality of making available burns of the original mix free of charge to individuals who certify that they have a commercial copy of the remix? I have a VG copy of the album and a Linn LP12 turntable, Lyra Helikon cartridge, and M Audio Audiophile USB soundcard. I have made a very nice 24-bit/44.1kHz transfer that I could render at 16-bits for CD-player listening.
I don't want to irk the Dead, who couldn't be more gracious, but since the original mix hasn't been sold for almost 35 years now, I can't see the harm in making it available in a friendly, low-key way.
If Live Music Archive would have reservations about this, it could be handled by FTP or mail. I'm a bit evangelical about the original mix, so I wouldn't mind a little trouble and expense in doing this. Let me know.
Subject: This is what's become of the baby
Subject: Out Takes with Delivery
A little muddy but still a gem overall, so 4 out of 5 stars.
Here, "What's Become Of The Baby" is actually listenable, at times almost evoking "And We Bid You Goodnight" (if you happened to be 2000 Light Years From Home); and "Rosemary" is only slightly less fx-laden than on the the album, with a little bit longer pregnant pauses and a more relaxed pace.
The only other version I know of is the very laid back live (barely!) one found on the December 7, 1968 show.
It's good having a studio version of The Eleven that's tight and focused throughout, with a bit of textured layers at the start not available on stage, though in need of a remix to be sure.
Along with the 2 very unusual if oddball unreleased tracks of interest,
there's a nice alternate St. Stephen with the enjoyably weird telephone receiver vocals for the call and response of 'Lady finger'... more layered than a live version but not as gimmicky as the full-on final version that kick starts the actual Aoxomoxoa. Which is still one of my top 5 if not my all-time favorite St. Stephen - perfection pure and simple.
Hell, these tracks may even warm up some that aren't too particular about the album; and if you dig the LP, this stuff is quite tasty for a take-out... it delivers the goods... with so much live Dead available, it's ok to hear the band working out in the studio.
Subject: Good felling
I think that's worth a download.
Subject: unknown instrumental jam
it kinda sounds like an early, early, electric working of Weather Report Suite Prelude in parts.
other parts sound like the ' lower down and lower down again ' part of St Stephen...
at least to me..
nevertheless this is a gem